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Post by watchman35 on Sept 10, 2017 14:43:42 GMT -6
Going to combine responses to two replies in this single post:
First off, in the spirit of full disclosure, I want to make one thing very clear up front. While I am Jewish in my physical lineage and grew up in a Jewish home that practiced what I would call a very reformed cultural observance of the Jewish traditions, I am regrettably by no means an expert in the Hebraic customs and cultures of Jesus’ day. With that said, here are my thoughts on a couple of questions in this thread.
Hillary: I have a question from something I saw somewhere about how the 2 witnesses of the new moon is not actually scriptural but is a tradition of men, and so can it be trusted as a significant marker to this appointed time from God? What are your thoughts?
My understanding from some online videos is that this comes from the Talmud, the written version of the Jewish oral traditions. So, assuming that is true, I think you are correct that it is not supported by direct chapter and verse within the scriptures. I know the Lord is frequently not a big fan of the traditions of men, but I cannot say for certain how He views this specific practice. I believe this was instituted in order to accommodate the geographical challenges created by communicating to the diaspora (the scattering of the Jews throughout the world).
Rickj316: Do they also refer to the feast of trumpets as the feast that no one knows the day or hour?
I only know what I have heard through various online teaching videos that make this claim. Mark Biltz seems to be pretty emphatic that this is true. Seems to me like either this is true, or it has come to be accepted based on some very loud reverberation over the years in the online echo chambers inhabited by those of us seeking to better understand the truth of scripture as revealed by purported idiomatic expressions of the Hebrew culture. Personally, I do not know if there is any definitive historical documentation that would support this idea.
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Post by watchman35 on Sept 10, 2017 14:52:06 GMT -6
Amazing! I think you're on to something here. Nov 19, 2017 is just about one year after the conception comet and Jupiter entering Virgo's "womb." Is there a 57 or 75 day count in relation to Noah's flood, which is when the previous dispensation ended? I would think if there is, then that would absolutely substantiate this timeline. This would make sense especially because, if the Trib dispensation is supposed to start in two weeks, there'd have to be A LOT more movement in the 10 nations forming and coming to power and other aspects of the beast system, WHICH WE ARE SEEING but it would need to be nearly complete at this point, not just really starting to come together. Went and did a little checking after I read your post, just wondering what I might find. I googled something like "Noah's Ark 57 Days". Had to dig a little bit, but guess what I found...!!! From the day that Noah removed the covering of the ark (first day of first month) until the day Noah and his family leave the ark (27th day of the second month) is 57 days (30 days + 27 days)!!! Read for yourself. Genesis 8:13-19 13 And it came to pass in the six hundred and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, that the waters were dried up from the earth; and Noah removed the covering of the ark and looked, and indeed the surface of the ground was dry. 14 And in the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth was dried.
15 Then God spoke to Noah, saying, 16 “Go out of the ark, you and your wife, and your sons and your sons’ wives with you. 17 Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with you: birds and cattle and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, so that they may abound on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth.” 18 So Noah went out, and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives with him. 19 Every animal, every creeping thing, every bird, and whatever creeps on the earth, according to their families, went out of the ark. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 10, 2017 15:32:10 GMT -6
Amazing! I think you're on to something here. Nov 19, 2017 is just about one year after the conception comet and Jupiter entering Virgo's "womb." Is there a 57 or 75 day count in relation to Noah's flood, which is when the previous dispensation ended? I would think if there is, then that would absolutely substantiate this timeline. This would make sense especially because, if the Trib dispensation is supposed to start in two weeks, there'd have to be A LOT more movement in the 10 nations forming and coming to power and other aspects of the beast system, WHICH WE ARE SEEING but it would need to be nearly complete at this point, not just really starting to come together. Went and did a little checking after I read your post, just wondering what I might find. I googled something like "Noah's Ark 57 Days". Had to dig a little bit, but guess what I found...!!! From the day that Noah removed the covering of the ark (first day of first month) until the day Noah and his family leave the ark (27th day of the second month) is 57 days (30 days + 27 days)!!! Read for yourself. Genesis 8:13-19 13 And it came to pass in the six hundred and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, that the waters were dried up from the earth; and Noah removed the covering of the ark and looked, and indeed the surface of the ground was dry. 14 And in the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth was dried.
15 Then God spoke to Noah, saying, 16 “Go out of the ark, you and your wife, and your sons and your sons’ wives with you. 17 Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with you: birds and cattle and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, so that they may abound on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth.” 18 So Noah went out, and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives with him. 19 Every animal, every creeping thing, every bird, and whatever creeps on the earth, according to their families, went out of the ark.   !!!!! Well. There you go. |
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Post by Natalie on Sept 10, 2017 15:38:36 GMT -6
I'm wondering if there is some sort of 7, 40, 10 day pattern also. Or even reverse with a 10, 40, 7. I know from FOT to DOA is 10 days, but after that I didn't find anything. Maybe it's something that will take place when we are gone.
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Post by whatif on Sept 10, 2017 16:25:50 GMT -6
Watchman35, this is so very amazing to me! What a wonderful discovery! Happy birthday to you! What an awesome birthday gift the Lord provided you!
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 10, 2017 20:11:30 GMT -6
I know they got into the ark and 7 days later the rain started.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 10, 2017 23:06:20 GMT -6
This is incredible! (And happy birthday, by the way.) I look forward to reading it again. I was actually listening to that teaching by Cornelius Jones and paused it to read this article. I have a question from something I saw somewhere about how the 2 witnesses of the new moon is not actually scriptural but is a tradition of men, and so can it be trusted as a significant marker to this appointed time from God? What are your thoughts? I am learning but still don’t know much about the Hebraic traditions. Hi Hillary, I just wanted to point out that none of the Lord's feasts are described in great detail in the Holy scriptures, especially not the Feast of Trumpets. This is the description of the Feast of Trumpets (feast of Blowing or shouting, technically): Lev 23:24-25 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. ‘You shall do no customary work on it; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD.’ ” However, Jesus used in His teaching, ministry, and prophecy many symbols that the Jews did use during those feasts or other traditions, whether those were traditions made of man or given by God (but not written down). For example: when Jesus rides into Jerusalem and the people are singing "Hosanna, etc." This was a Psalm traditionally recited during Tabernacles, I believe. Jesus refers to the tradition of the groom snatching away the bride in the same way He will come: "In my father's house are many mansions. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go I will come again..." Many marriage contracts were made and consummated during Tabernacles as well. The book of Revelation has a lot of Feast symbology too. Trumpets and Bowls—Feast of Tabernacles. Etc. The two witnesses for Feast of Trumpets? Perhaps. We we have to remember that just because something wasn't written down, doesn't mean God never said it. The first five books were oral for a very long time before they were written down (or at least Genesis was), and the Hebrew culture was still very much of an oral tradition well into the 1st century AD. I can't remember exactly, but I seem to remember some curious verses somewhere that refer back to prophecies or scripture that is not found anywhere in our bible today. All of that to say that there's the possibility we don't have EVERYTHING that God ever said, but we have ENOUGH to know what His will is and go from there. The Feasts are sort of a gray area, open for interpretation. I would think that whatever traditions were the oldest, if we knew that, that they would be the most likely to be closest to the truth of the meaning for the feasts. |
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Post by Gary on Sept 11, 2017 7:52:22 GMT -6
Hey Ron! I finally got to check this out last night. I'm definitely on board - I'm not dogmatic, but man oh man does it seem to fit and the double-confirmation between you and Dan Matson is further strength.
We'll see how it goes... less than two weeks to go!
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Post by bruce on Sept 11, 2017 12:50:15 GMT -6
There could be something to this. Some personal coincidences that came to mind as a read it are first, that I live on 57th st. Second, it was on November 19, 2015 that I first switched from being disappointed that the rapture hadn't happened in 2015 to starting to think it might happen in 2017 due to an article that came out here on Unsealed. If November 19, 2017 is the start of Daniel's 70th week, that would make this article officially a two year notice. Notice the date of the article is November 19: www.unsealed.org/2015/11/2017-to-2024-tribulation-theory.htmlAs for exactly when the rapture will occur, Daniel Matson makes a good case for the start of Rosh Hashannah coinciding with the dark moon instead of the first crescent. I am open to either view, but if Daniel is right and the rapture were to occur on the actual day that the world's Jewry are celebrating Rosh Hashannah, that would certainly get their attention and kick start the turning of God's attention from the church back to Israel. If the Lord tarries until the 23rd, though, I'm fine with that. I just hope he doesn't tarry much beyond that :-) |
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Post by evenso on Sept 11, 2017 13:26:34 GMT -6
Stated another way, the sun is suppose to set in Israel on Friday evening, 9/22, at 6:36 PM. If the first crescent of the new moon is spotted ten minutes later at 6:46 PM, that would be considered ten minutes into the new day of Saturday, 9/23, even though most would likely still consider it to be Friday night, 9/22. The new day begins at sundown from the Jewish perspective. So Tishri 1 is from the evening when the new moon crescent is first visible until sunset of the following day. And if it's 6:46 PM in Israel, don't forget, that means it's 11:46 AM, EDT here in the US |
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Post by kjs on Sept 11, 2017 14:41:36 GMT -6
Stated another way, the sun is suppose to set in Israel on Friday evening, 9/22, at 6:36 PM. If the first crescent of the new moon is spotted ten minutes later at 6:46 PM, that would be considered ten minutes into the new day of Saturday, 9/23, even though most would likely still consider it to be Friday night, 9/22. The new day begins at sundown from the Jewish perspective. So Tishri 1 is from the evening when the new moon crescent is first visible until sunset of the following day. And if it's 6:46 PM in Israel, don't forget, that means it's 11:46 AM, EDT here in the US To make it clearer ..... FRIDAY MORNING (22nd) at 11:46AM.... Remember they are ahead of us time-wise ........
I have always held to the reason that because this world has different time ZONES -- is the reason no one knows the day or hour........ |
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Post by evenso on Sept 11, 2017 16:22:14 GMT -6
35, I finally took the time, in the middle of the remnants of Irma hitting us, to digest this. How exciting! It just keeps getting better and better! So many various sources pointing to the same time period. It's just staggering. Just think, Feast of Trumpets is not less than 10 days away. No longer are we looking at years, or months or even weeks. We're down to days!!!
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Post by watchman35 on Sept 11, 2017 17:43:28 GMT -6
To make it clearer ..... FRIDAY MORNING (22nd) at 11:46AM.... Remember they are ahead of us time-wise ........
I have always held to the reason that because this world has different time ZONES -- is the reason no one knows the day or hour........Hi kjs. I understand what you are saying, in that no matter what moment the Last Trump blows and we are caught up to meet our Savior in the air, it will constitute a variety of different times and, in some cases, different days at locations around the globe. However, that truth not withstanding, I am of the opinion that IF the Lord was going to give us an indication of a precise hour for His snatching us away, that time calibration would be tied exclusively to Jerusalem, the city upon which He has literally written His Name. So while I acknowledge the point you are making about time differences around the world, I still don't think that absolutely rules out the possibility that He still may be revealing to us the day and the hour. Just something to ponder. |
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Post by whatif on Sept 11, 2017 19:05:15 GMT -6
To make it clearer ..... FRIDAY MORNING (22nd) at 11:46AM.... Remember they are ahead of us time-wise ........
I have always held to the reason that because this world has different time ZONES -- is the reason no one knows the day or hour........I have wondered the same, kjs! Time zone calculations are like nightmares to me. They make my brain hurt! |
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Post by gary777 on Sept 17, 2017 21:42:41 GMT -6
Very cool and Happy Birthday!
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!!!!!
