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Post by anonymouse on Sept 19, 2017 6:05:46 GMT -6
It fits so perfectly! its so hard to deny! but at the back of my head I always wonder what will happen if the rapture doesnt happen this week. will that mess up the whole timeline?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 8:23:02 GMT -6
I just mentioned a two year notice in a new thread - Star of Bethlehem 2015 sign. The wisemen may have taken up to two years to see Christ - hence Herod killing all male children two and under in Bethlehem. Read that post/watch video and see what you think. I had never heard this before and thought it was so interesting!
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Post by mike on Sept 19, 2017 8:35:56 GMT -6
It fits so perfectly! its so hard to deny! but at the back of my head I always wonder what will happen if the rapture doesnt happen this week. will that mess up the whole timeline? Well yes it does. the 1260/1290 and many other time frames no longer line up with feasts...unless we have the calendar wrong which is a strong possibility that I have not seen investigated. Perhaps we should start looking into the missing 223 years and see how the timeline turns out thru 9/23/17 and forward from there. |
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Post by evenso on Sept 19, 2017 9:28:38 GMT -6
Yesterday, I began to wonder if 9/23 would be the beginning of the Tribulation and so went to the calendar and hand-counted 57 days later, coming to November 19, 2017. I didn't think it meant anything until Beloved reminded me of this thread where November 19th had been the conclusion from counting the OTHER way. Pretty neat!
I do have one question though. I've never heard that the dispensation of law ended on Palm Sunday. How do we come to that conclusion? I've always thought that dispensation ended at the cross, the moment the veil was torn from top to bottom. What am I missing?
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Post by mike on Sept 19, 2017 9:39:06 GMT -6
evenso where do find that the law ended Palm Sunday? was there a thread with explanation or somewhere in this one (which page)?
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Post by anonymouse on Sept 19, 2017 10:11:10 GMT -6
It fits so perfectly! its so hard to deny! but at the back of my head I always wonder what will happen if the rapture doesnt happen this week. will that mess up the whole timeline? Well yes it does. the 1260/1290 and many other time frames no longer line up with feasts...unless we have the calendar wrong which is a strong possibility that I have not seen investigated. Perhaps we should start looking into the missing 223 years and see how the timeline turns out thru 9/23/17 and forward from there. so it would throw the timeline off if the rapture didn't happen this week? All these precise digits such as 7,33, etc. We just cant believe that its not a coincidence. When do you think the resurrection will happen? this happens first before the rapture, correct? |
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Post by mike on Sept 19, 2017 10:39:24 GMT -6
anonymouse - yeah theres a few different timelines/theories about the extra 30 days, but regardless of whether the extra 30 is part of the "gap" between rapture and beginning of trib, in the middle or the end, the dates would all be off and none of the events fall on feast days. Or all of the events do fall on feast days if the rapture occurs in 2-3 days. It is too coincidental that all of it lines up perfectly. Its almost too good to be true, which is why I have that "can this really be happening" in my mind. The rapture is an instantaneous moment. First the dead in Christ rise, then those who are alive and remain 1 Thes 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.1 Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
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Post by kjs on Sept 19, 2017 11:01:36 GMT -6
I do have one question though. I've never heard that the dispensation of law ended on Palm Sunday. How do we come to that conclusion? I've always thought that dispensation ended at the cross, the moment the veil was torn from top to bottom. What am I missing? As with any theory helping describe the Bible and it's stories and meanings .... there are many forms of Dispensationalism. You have Hyperdispensationalism, Mid-Acts Dispensationalism, ultradispensationalism as some of the more extreme (or fringe forms); whereas you have traditional Dispensationalism, modern Dispensationalism, progessive Dispensationalism (more mainline forms). Depending upon which branch, you are more comfortable with will basically determine the dividing line between one dispensation and the next. Most (but not all) have a gradual move from one dispensation to another dispensation.... Some are also hard-core and state this date was the date of the change.... As far as Palm Sunday goes -- are you sure you are not confusing that with the 69 weeks? One group believes the 69th week ended on Palm Sunday -- others say not the 69th week ended on Resurrection Sunday..... |
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Post by anonymouse on Sept 19, 2017 11:12:50 GMT -6
anonymouse - yeah theres a few different timelines/theories about the extra 30 days, but regardless of whether the extra 30 is part of the "gap" between rapture and beginning of trib, in the middle or the end, the dates would all be off and none of the events fall on feast days. Or all of the events do fall on feast days if the rapture occurs in 2-3 days. It is too coincidental that all of it lines up perfectly. Its almost too good to be true, which is why I have that "can this really be happening" in my mind. The rapture is an instantaneous moment. First the dead in Christ rise, then those who are alive and remain 1 Thes 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.1 Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. Will there be a time gap between the resurrection of the dead and the rapture? or will the rapture take place STRAIGHT AFTER the resurrection of the dead? Will the dead be resurrected instantly altogether? P.S You are awsome man! |
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Post by mike on Sept 19, 2017 11:34:36 GMT -6
anonymouse - As far as I know it had long been held that the entire event is instant (twinkling of an eye), meaning dead (all of them) rise meet Christ and before a full second elapses those who are alive are also caught up. So its all basically simultaneous. That has always been my understanding and seeming how the verses read. Recently I heard a theory that the dead will rise similar to the way Jesus did. He did not ascend immediately. He was seen by Mary, Peter, John the other apostles, then 500 for 7 days (IIRC). There were those who were resurrected with him as well. That theory says the dead may rise and hang a round a few days. This theory is a stretch, as the those who resurrected arent confirmed to have ascended with Him. Its likely they raised similar to Lazurus and eventually died again. Also if that were to happen we who were left alive would certainly know exactly what was transpiring and absolutely quit jobs, evangelize along side those who were raised leaving no doubt as to what happened. This would also just about squash the entire "delusion" from the enemy
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Post by tom67x on Sept 19, 2017 11:36:51 GMT -6
Pretty fascinating man...I'd like it to be just as written please! Thanks!
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Post by mike on Sept 19, 2017 11:58:27 GMT -6
Pretty fascinating man...I'd like it to be just as written please! Thanks! That would be really really cool, fascinating, mind blowing and any other adjective you could think of to the witness (for others) of the reality of the King that we are already aware of, but I dont read the texts that way |
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Post by evenso on Sept 19, 2017 11:59:26 GMT -6
evenso where do find that the law ended Palm Sunday? was there a thread with explanation or somewhere in this one (which page)? From the OP: "Cornelius talked about a 57-day transitional gap of time between the end of the dispensation of the law on Palm Sunday to the start of the age of grace at the Pentecost conception of the Church." I don't understand why the law would have ended before the cross? I'm not trying to be a nit picker but want to try and understand since we're being so exact about the number of days between things. |
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Post by mike on Sept 19, 2017 12:11:49 GMT -6
evenso - sorry I did read that post a few days ago and I have been reading sooo many that I forgot that was how it was spelled out. I think kjs did a solid job explaining it, but to add it seems some will stretch things to make them "Fit". Perhaps thats the case with Cornelious here. I dont think the law ended there, but that doesnt eliminate the 57 days as being a valid point. Palm Sunday to Pentecost still 57 days. Looking at whats going on today in the news at the UN its very possible a tremendous world event happens in the next few days which throws the world into a "tizzy" and 57 days later there is "tribulation"
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Post by evenso on Sept 19, 2017 12:29:15 GMT -6
evenso - sorry I did read that post a few days ago and I have been reading sooo many that I forgot that was how it was spelled out. I think kjs did a solid job explaining it, but to add it seems some will stretch things to make them "Fit". Perhaps thats the case with Cornelious here. I dont think the law ended there, but that doesnt eliminate the 57 days as being a valid point. Palm Sunday to Pentecost still 57 days. Looking at whats going on today in the news at the UN its very possible a tremendous world event happens in the next few days which throws the world into a "tizzy" and 57 days later there is "tribulation" Yes, after watching President Trump's (still love saying that!) bombshell speech at the UN, I still have the TV on awaiting Netanyahu's speech at which time I'll un-mute. I awoke in the night last night, eyes wide open, when I realized the two would be speaking at the UN and wondering what covenant might be confirmed soon. |
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