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Post by cwood85 on Jan 17, 2018 18:53:03 GMT -6
I know this is not the correct thread to put this under. I wanted to put it under the introductions & rules, but it does not allow for new threads to be created there. That would have been the most appropriate place for this. It was suggested that these questions be asked in private to the moderators, but I feel this is information that all members of this forum would be interested in knowing and getting some clarification/further information on as well. 1. If post/teachings/comments and so fourth get to a point where they are possibly breaking any of the three main rules of the forum, is there some sort of background check done on anyone? If so, what warrants searching someone's personal information and who oks this? 2. Do moderators have a background check done on them? 3. What of a users information is visible to a moderator or even to Gary ? 4. What is the definition/duties of the moderators in this forum? I see this ranking/position is not listed in member rankings. Is there a written definition for this title that can be referenced for everyone to see? Like rules, guidelines, policies, and that sort of thing? What qualifies a moderator to be under such a title? I am not doing this to pick on the moderators. I think everyone here deserves some more information regarding the above questions and concerns. To some this is not a surprise that these questions are being asked. I hope this stays positive and everyone can keep their cool.
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Post by Natalie on Jan 17, 2018 19:49:47 GMT -6
I will answer what I can to the best of my knowledge:
1. No background check is done on anyone. We have done IP address comparisons on suspicious posters. The moderators usually discuss this stuff before hand.
2. No background checks on mods are done.
3. The only thing I know of that Gary has access to that mods do not are IP addresses. I'm not sure what a regular member can see, but on a person's profile I can see if a person is online or when they were last online, their email address, birthday, gender, posts made, and when they registered. Obviously if a person shares private information in a private message I would know more.
4. Moderators make sure that rules are followed, that threads stay on track, questions are answered...It is not a position you get to by posting a lot. We were each asked privately if we would prayerfully consider taking on the position.
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Post by Natalie on Jan 17, 2018 19:55:30 GMT -6
I would add...mods are only human. We make mistakes. We are not "super spiritual" or have some kind of superior knowledge. Being a moderator has been a lot harder than I thought it would be. We've had to deal with some tough situations. I pray for wisdom for us frequently. Sometimes we do what we think is best at the time, and sometimes we get it wrong or wrong as others perceive it. Even though it's tough, I enjoy moderating here. I love this community.
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Post by cwood85 on Jan 17, 2018 19:59:50 GMT -6
I will answer what I can to the best of my knowledge: 1. No background check is done on anyone. We have done IP address comparisons on suspicious posters. The moderators usually discuss this stuff before hand. 2. No background checks on mods are done. 3. The only thing I know of that Gary has access to that mods do not are IP addresses. I'm not sure what a regular member can see, but on a person's profile I can see if a person is online or when they were last online, their email address, birthday, gender, posts made, and when they registered. Obviously if a person shares private information in a private message I would know more. 4. Moderators make sure that rules are followed, that threads stay on track, questions are answered...It is not a position you get to by posting a lot. We were each asked privately if we would prayerfully consider taking on the position. Thank you for your answers, they are helpful. One more question. If a situation becomes particularly difficult or sticky is this taken to Gary? Or are such situations completely resolved with moderator decisions and investigation? I understand the admin is not on here all the time, especially with a new baby.
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Post by Natalie on Jan 17, 2018 20:05:38 GMT -6
We usually make Gary aware of situations. Most of the time he does not join in on our discussions, but he is included in our discussions so that he would have a record of them.
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Post by cwood85 on Jan 17, 2018 20:47:22 GMT -6
Natalie I know your username for tagging is different, so I will not tag you lol. This statement isn't directed at you but all moderators. When I say background checks I would like to clarify and go into further detail of what I am asking about.
I also understand being a moderator is no easy task, time consuming, and at time emotionally taxing. In all honesty, I wouldn't want the responsibility.
Would a moderator or admin use the following?
Search engines? White pages? personal email addresses to look up real names of users? Facebook? Twitter or other forms of social media?
I know you said background checks are not done, but does this include searching as well?
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Post by klb on Jan 17, 2018 22:10:36 GMT -6
Thanks to all the moderators - I'm sure that responsibility isn't easy at times! I would hope that at least some credentials are asked of a poster when they have been given a lot of leeway to share their beliefs and theories. I love hearing all of the different opinions and have learned so much from everyone here. It has helped me dig deeper and I've enjoyed that. I will say that it makes me cringe a little if someone is going completely against what is being represented in the articles posted on the home page or what has been listed as the core Christian beliefs of this site. If someone is allowed to do that then I usually assume it is because the administration and moderators have approved for whatever reason and I've just trusted that. Not saying that I always agree but I've let it go for that reason. I prefer to read and absorb rather than participate but I've really loved being on the discussion boards.
Just editing to say that I didn't realize that this was about a particular incident when I posted. I don't believe I've ever had any interaction with SK and only in the last few days read his Kingdom of God thread but haven't read the others. I went to ask him a question yesterday and saw that he had deleted his account.
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Post by cwood85 on Jan 17, 2018 22:19:41 GMT -6
Thanks to all the moderators - I'm sure that responsibility isn't easy at times! Great questions cwood85! I would hope that at least some credentials are asked of a poster when they have been given a lot of leeway to share their beliefs and theories. I love hearing all of the different opinions and have learned so much from everyone here. It has helped me dig deeper and I've enjoyed that. I will say that it makes me cringe a little if someone is going completely against what is being represented in the articles posted on the home page or what has been listed as the core Christian beliefs of this site. If someone is allowed to do that then I usually assume it is because the administration and moderators have approved for whatever reason and I've just trusted that. Not saying that I always agree but I've let it go for that reason. I prefer to read and absorb rather than participate but I've really loved being on the discussion boards! =) I agree klb that it would not be wrong to check some form of credentials, but the practice of doing such should be made known to all as a policy of operations on this forum, especially if such searches are going to be used against anyone for something and we are told as stated above, background checks are not done on members or moderators.
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Post by klb on Jan 18, 2018 5:55:00 GMT -6
cwood85 Totally agree! I was only saying that credentials should perhaps be asked for in certain situations.
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Post by cwood85 on Jan 18, 2018 6:56:33 GMT -6
cwood85 Totally agree! I was only saying that credentials should perhaps be asked for in certain situations. No worries Most of my last statement wasn't directed at you, but the moderators. They know why I am asking these things and what this is about. Frankly, depending how things go and the way they are handled will depend on how much I am really getting started with all of this. Just to point out as well, I am not breaking any rules , so I can't be kicked off. Maybe I will just get asked to leave...
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Post by mike on Jan 18, 2018 7:10:05 GMT -6
cwood85 ...Silent Knight was not asked to leave, he departed on his own. It was never even suggested he leave. The only suggestion was about his teachings. Many other members were concerned about the theme. While you enjoyed them others saw things differently. For me to ignore that would not be right. Please make sure you have the full story before you make assumptions and post them. There is no and was no background check on anyone. There was no search of social media. Just like you are free to share your personal info with anyone you chose, understand once you chose your info is no longer confidential. SK chose to share his personal email address with me a while back. That included his full name, he has now changed that... Similarly you are not being asked to leave nor has it been suggested (that I am aware of). It is fine to ask questions, and perhaps I will address these privately as to protect your (collective those concerned) privacy. I am certain you dont have the full story as the e-mail (that I am aware of) you received does not paint the entire picture. EDIT - quite honestly this does not belong in the "Prophecy" section either and belongs in "Whatever", it is being moved
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Post by cwood85 on Jan 18, 2018 7:22:15 GMT -6
cwood85 ...Silent Knight was not asked to leave, he departed on his own. It was never even suggested he leave. The only suggestion was about his teachings. Many other members were concerned about the theme. While you enjoyed them others saw things differently. For me to ignore that would not be right. Please make sure you have the full story before you make assumptions and post them. There is no and was no background check on anyone. There was no search of social media. Just like you are free to share your personal info with anyone you chose, understand once you chose your info is no longer confidential. SK chose to share his personal email address with me a while back. That included his full name, he has now changed that... Similarly you are not being asked to leave nor has it been suggested (that I am aware of). It is fine to ask questions, and perhaps I will address these privately as to protect your (collective those concerned) privacy. I am certain you dont have the full story as the e-mail (that I am aware of) you received does not paint the entire picture. EDIT - quite honestly this does not belong in the "Prophecy" section either and belongs in "Whatever", it is being moved A) never said he was asked to leave B) your right I have His and other versions of the story not just from him, so more than one side of the story C)If his teachings were questioned, and I am not saying I agreed with all of them, why weren't these questions asked to his threads? For all to see and all to learn from? D) He was very honest about what was found... My questions regarding how things are being ran on this board are valid mike . I have gotten several messages thanking me for asking them. I do not say that with pride or anything of that sort whatsoever. I am surprised I am getting the feedback I am. Sometimes this place is like the Wild West. Maybe we should be enlightened or those who followed closely on what did Happen...
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Post by mike on Jan 18, 2018 7:59:53 GMT -6
Cwood... I do not know what version of "the story" you have but the entire exchange transpired between just me & him, so you are getting first hand information. His email to you implied he was getting the screws put to him and his presence here was no longer welcome...Perhaps he felt that way but neither of those were ever typed in our exchange. While I do have the entire dialogue i don't think it best to share publicly at this time (perhaps never-IDK).
His teachings were questioned both in the threads and privately. i'm not sure if you are aware but we log about 500 guests each and every day. I have several e-mails to Jim advising him that I will be asking questions, sometimes for myself, sometimes for others as guests and other members who "lurk" may not. I see that as a 'role' I must fulfill. Sometimes people just dont speak up, I understand that. If you go through some of the threads you will see those questions asked. Some of the responses I did not agree with but in an effort to allow the teaching to continue I relented as did others (moderators included).
He was honest with you about what was found...how did you find out about it? He told you, correct?...I will offer you this. Jim considers me one of his only his friends, still even after leaving yesterday I have an email confirming that. I feel similar. However, when you find things out about your friend(s) in the manner I did, questions come up. Perhaps he didnt share the full story with you (the media version), but that is how I found out. Personally speaking it would have been far less eventful had he advised me (as a friend) rather than me discovering the version(s) I read-it was saddening! Maybe SK will share the entire dialogue with you privately, i'll defer that to him for now
your comment on the wild west - can see why you may say that, but please understand you dont know what goes on behind the scenes. All of the moderators take the role very seriously. Each and every one here is a person behind a keyboard or phone. Sometimes we agree with each other, sometimes we disagree, sometimes we laugh, cry and learn. But when items/posts of are reported for us to review we discuss them. We consider a lot for each individual and sometimes it is difficult as each one of you are different. So is it wild? yes at times it certainly can be. Was this issue a difficult one to handle? Hell Yeah! Would I have liked the outcome to be different? Without question. Feel free to ask more...I cant promise I will answer everything publically
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Post by boraddict on Jan 18, 2018 8:16:20 GMT -6
C W,
Perhaps he could be contacted on your behalf, and told your concerns, that he could then contact you.
I think what you are saying is that you care about and have a close relationship with him. Perhaps he does not know the void he has left in your life.
Perhaps you might state that, if I am assuming things correctly.
In this forum we develop close friendships.
If that is the case then he should be told.
Say something like, I love you, please come back.
Post Script: I am in the dark about everything and it is none of my business. I was surprised however, that he was gone. Likewise, I was surprised that socialexile has not been around. I miss him as well.
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Post by cwood85 on Jan 18, 2018 8:42:35 GMT -6
"His teachings were questioned both in the threads and privately. i'm not sure if you are aware but we log about 500 guests each and every day. I have several e-mails to Jim advising him that I will be asking questions, sometimes for myself, sometimes for others as guests and other members who "lurk" may not. I see that as a 'role' I must fulfill. Sometimes people just dont speak up, I understand that. If you go through some of the threads you will see those questions asked. Some of the responses I did not agree with but in an effort to allow the teaching to continue I relented as did others (moderators included)." mike I am very aware of how many people are coming through here daily. But he was given the go to present these teachings by the moderators. So I can see why he felt a bit offended. He asked for permission. I think WE THE FORUM should be shown what parts were being questioned. We're there other viewpoints/answers given? This actually could have been very educational. You guys are being compared to the Pharisees and with all the behind the scenes stuff going on, it sure seems that way sometimes to many on here. I am not saying that is what is going on, but to many (not SK, he doesn't know I am doing any of this) you guys get in your moderator meetings about things such as questions and teachings being presented, when maybe more of a majority opinion or viewpoint is required. Do you see what I am saying?
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