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Post by cwood85 on Apr 19, 2019 7:57:46 GMT -6
I agree with what mike says here and jamie you have raised many valid points ... but I think we need to be a bit careful any time we " create an us vs them" idea.
Yes, without a doubt the religion of Islam is "way off base" (in the mind of this Christian) and so we should be concerned with it's spread with society. Yet, these people are part of humanity and deserve our LOVE as well; in fact we are commanded to Love Our Enemies. Remember it is the "poisonous thoughts and ideas" of the religion Islam that deserve our rejection -- NOT THE PEOPLE who practice it.
NONE of US are perfect; we all have our Flaws -- whether that be Protestant Christians, Catholic Christians, Mormons; even Atheist people....
So jamie I urge caution -- please continue giving knowledge about all the "issues" with Islam ... but be careful when referring to the people practicing that religion -- Our response to them is to pray for them and if given a chance to witness to them about Jesus Christ and His Free gift. I know what you're saying, but that doesn't change anything. Some people have labelled Rome and Catholicism as the beasts which means that all the evils mentioned about the end-time beast is attributed to a CHURCH of God. I think the two witnesses attempt to get Muslim's to repent in the Dome area of the Mosque, and the plagues in the Revelation are specifically intended for Islam's JIHADIST and those who support them who commit the abominations of the earth. That's why they are urged to get out of Islam.
Islam doesn't just have "flaws." It's literally the devil's religion bent on world domination through terrorism and demographics. The opening paragraph to my website...
One man asked...
"What is wrong with people? We are talking about a religion in which one of the highest aspirations of its adherents is to be killed fighting in a war. What other religion advocates chopping off hands and heads, and stoning people in the streets? What other religion advocates global war, in order to convert people? In what other religion, during religious festivals, can you see droves of the "faithful" marching the streets with AK-47's, and declaring their desire to kill and die for "God". Excuse me people....what are we missing here? How do religion and AK-47's go together?"
Islam's Connection To Bible Prophecy and the origin of violence in the end. Habakkuk 1:5 Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you. For, lo, I raise up the Chaldean's, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwelling places that are not theirs. They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves. Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat. They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.
When a person becomes a Muslim, they are enslaved into the most oppressive religion on earth.
"Sup up" means to do so as an assembly or a horde. Islam is the only religion where it's followers "sup their face up to the east" even 5 times a day.
"The east wind is always associated with evil destructive wind." E. Swedenborg (1688-1772) said, "That wind, and especially the east wind, signifies nothing else than the dispersion of falsities and evils." Can I ask a question? Well several so bare with me please. First, if Revelation was written solely for Islam, then why in the world are the first two chapters of the book referencing and speaking to the 7 churches of GOD?!? Second, just because a church says it is a church of God, doesn't mean squat. The Pharisees were the "Priest" of the temple of God in that time and they were some of the most vile and evil of people. Jesus did not walk around ripping up the false or pagan religions while he was here. He was most angered and vocal with the CHURCH of that time. It is no different now. Those who are supposed to be shepards but scatter the sheep are far more damaging than any pagan religion. Jesus did not go to the Greek or Roman pagans and call them vipers and sons of the devil. He called those who claimed to be Gods those names and constantly called them out on their falseness. I think sometimes we really forget and put this statement to the sidelines, Judgement first comes to the church. The Habakkuk 1:5 is referring to the Babylonians, not Islam as Judgement to the Jews for worshipping Molech/Baal and sacrificing their children to this false god of fire and death. Islam was't around then and wouldn't be for well over a thousand years. The crusades were done in the name of God and Jesus and ordered by the very people who sat in cathedrals with the kings of that time. People used to be hunted down like animals simply for having possession of a bible. Men who translated even before the KJV fled from country to country in Europe to gather information for bible translations and run from being doused with oil, wrapped in oil soaked cloth and set on fire, usually all while being impaled. Sounds pretty wicked and Satanic to me, but was done by the church in the name of God. Does that make it ok? Your logic is very one sided and biased.
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Post by cwood85 on Apr 17, 2019 21:06:06 GMT -6
I don't think so Mike. Stormy had stated: and I don't know what city Mystery babylon is either. I have multiple opinions on it. What I was pointing out was that there is a lot against the Vatican position because its not a kingdom like France, the UK, USA, UAE etc..it doesn't hold business like those countries, its not economy driven which would effect other nations like many countries are today. This is how you discuss things. Discussions are not always pretty but they are useful in dividing truth and gaining wisdom.
I tried to post a few picture to show you THE WORLD'S two most graven images but was unable to do it.
1. Catholics don't worship Mary, they pray to her. Catholic's believe in the very same Jesus all Protestants do. Islam denies Jesus is the Son of God and his death as well. <<< So do Orthodox Jews who practice Judaism. According to Judaism those who believe Jesus was the one true Messiah are part of a cult and worse. Psalm 53 is forbidden. They believe they are the light of the world and when their version of a Messiah comes, the entire world will convert to Judaism and know it as the true way to worship God. They are sacrificing a lamb this weekend to “cleanse” themselves of their sins because according to their religion, they have the power to do that. They also believe this will hasten the appearance of Messiah. So what is worse? Denying Jesus is the son of God or denying it and then trying to replace him and his sacrifice by elevating an entire religion above Him?
"And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
This is the way I see it."
In my view there's no such thing as "mystery Babylon." Revelation 17:5 is simply stating that "Babylon the Great" is a mystery. So what does Babylon the Great mean?
Simply put it is a LARGE FALSE RELIGION. ISLAM!
"And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."
The wilderness is better translated THE DESERT.
John is taken into the desert to witness the judgment of the harlot that "sits upon" or ‘occupies’ this beast. Rome doesn't reside in the desert, The birthplace of Islam is in the desert of Saudi Arabia. Mecca and Medina reside in the desert of Saudi Arabia. That's why I don't see this as Rome, Catholicism, the pope, the EU, the U.S., the UN, or a unification of world religions. It is Islam.
"Sitteth upon many waters," implies this religion is worldwide and 'occupies' nearly every country on earth. She's identified as "Babylon the Great" which literally means, "A Large False Religion." The implication here is that Islam and the harlot's jihadist sects is the dominant religion of this beast.
Some people believe this harlot represents a cocktail of Catholicism and other Christians sects they call 'apostate Christianity' that dominate the world. In the interlinear, every word in verse 5 is singular other than "harlots and abominations." This is ONE LARGE FALSE RELIGION AND NOT an assorted blend of religions!
"And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."
"With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication."
Think about the oppressive nature of Islam upon women and other religions. There are NO churches in Saudi Arabia but there are Mosque in nearly every country in the world. World leaders have committed fornication with the harlot by letting Islam proselytize its evil in their country, mostly for the sake of trade and inexpensive OIL. They know the evils that lurk in Islam but look the other way. It's obvious world governments are in bed with the Saudis the U.S. gives them huge subsidies all for the sake of huge corporate profits in oil.
In the US and Europe, Islam preaches hate and anti-semitism to its followers beginning with their children. They are intoxicated with "domination by abomination" even believing they will receive a mansion with as many as 72 bedrooms with a virgin in each one in paradise for committing the abominations of the earth. The amount of virgins they get is dependent upon the magnitude of the abomination they commit. Welcome to the Islam, Babylon the Great, the whore of Babylon.
"And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication." To 'SIT UPON' means to "occupy." That means Islam is the dominant religion of the beast. In Islam there's no difference between politics and religion, it's all the same. Islam is the religion that controls this beast. Most interpreters associate 'abominations' with idolatry. This may be true, but this harlot goes beyond that. Five times a day fanatical Muslims bow toward a black rock in the Kaaba in Mecca Saudi Arabia. The black 'skirt' around the Kaaba is considered to be a "woman's skirt" to Muslim's. Inside the Meccan mosque, and the inside of Saudi palaces are full splendor. Gold, purple, and precious stones are covered in them.
Jerusalem is the only city on planet earth that God has personally deemed as His own, and upon it there now stands an abomination called, "The Dome of the Rock." This is a graven iamge and so is the Kaaba.
There is no religion on earth more blasphemous than Islam.
The names of blasphemy? Denying Jesus as the Son of God. The false god Allah, the false prophet Muhammad, the false book the Koran which sanctions the killing of Christians and Jews, the false returning messiah the Mahdi, Virgins in paradise, suicide bombers, Akbar Allah, child brides, FGM, world domination, Sharia law, jihad, to name a few. Islam is 100% anti-Christ... The Dome of the Rock is at the geographically center of Jerusalem's seven MOUNTAINS. THIS IS THE ONLY PIECE OF GROUND GOD HAS CLAIMED AS HIS OWN IN THE BIBLE. This piece of ground is already occupied by the Meccan harlot's Dome of the Rock. Within the heart of Islam is the burning desire to take East Jerusalem into their own hands and use the anti-Christ monument called the Dome of the Rock complex as their headquarters of their worldwide Islamic Caliphate.
City of seven MOUNTAINS Rome IS NOT a city of seven 'mountains.'
Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Some translations use the word HILL. The text uses the word 'oros' and its meaning is better translated 'mountain' NOT HILL. Rome does not sit on seven mountains! It doesn't even sit on seven hills! There are seven hills on the East side of the Tiber River. 'Vatican Hill' sits on the west side of the Tiber. THAT MAKES 8 HILLS TOTAL! AND! The 7 hills on the east side of the Tiber, are too small to be designated as 'mountains'. They are so small ranging from 200-500 feet that they appear as little nubs when viewed from a distance. Strong's specifically states that a hill is lower than a mountain.
The city of seven mountains is Jerusalem.
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Post by cwood85 on Apr 16, 2019 21:34:07 GMT -6
Yes ... Notre Dame (Our Mother) is a graven image and much within it. The destruction of Vatican City (Mystery Babylon) is in the not too distant future. The Vatican is not Mystery Babylon. Rome has nothing to do with Babylon. Babylon is Babylon. The only thing it can be associated with is literal Babylon, confusion, or false religion. Catholicism is NOT false religion. Revelation 17:5 should be understood like this, "Islam, Babylon the Great, the mother of jihadist and abominations of the earth." I beg to differ on the Catholicism not being false. Now please understand that I differentiate between someone who is catholic and believes the gospel verses the catholic religion. The catholic religion believes their priest and popes are so holy that God submits to them and they are appointed by Christ. Also that Mary intercedes for us and her statues are worshipped worldwide. I do believe that the Bible more than once states Christ is the one who intercedes on our behalf. Babylon was the world hub of any religion one could imagine, as long as at the appropriate times, the current ruler was worshipped when commanded. Any statue or idol that was deemed as a god was worshipped. Mystery Babylon is any and all “religion and false systems” in the sense that someone has to do a work to obtain and keep whatever form of salvation or god they believe in. In terms of Christianity and works, some teach that by a persons good works as the only to obtain and keep their salvation. Apparently not telling a fib your entire life completes what Christ accomplished on the cross? That is false religion when someone elevates their own works and faith to complete what our savior already finished. Buddha’s believe all their actions produce whatever happens to them by means of good or bad karma. A Buddhist will not stop and help and person who is in need because they believe that persons current state is a result of their karma and that bad karma can rub off on them. It is not solely Islam that is false religion not entirely what Mystery Babylon is.
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Post by cwood85 on Apr 15, 2019 20:15:04 GMT -6
Congratulations!!!! God is so good 💓 Children are such a blessing 😊
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Post by cwood85 on Apr 2, 2019 9:19:07 GMT -6
*****Warning***** this is not directed at your friend personally, only the mindset and understanding being presented here.
Alright so tbh, this is the most unbiblical thing I have possibly ever read in regards to the gospel. There is some serious studying and prayer that needs to be done on this statement alone:
"We are saved from a holy God"
We have absolutely not been saved FROM God. This is a completely contradictory statement to the meaning of the name of Jesus/Yeshua, God IS salvation. If we are being saved from God, than we are saved from His salvation because HE IS SALVATION. What is good news about being saved from God? These are the sort of things that make people RUN away from seeking God and His character.
Now onto the second part of this sentence.
"from his righteous wrath poured out eternally on every sinner who has disgraced his glory."
^^^^^^This is actually a good thing. All of us at some point in our lives will experience Gods wrath and judgements. This is not something that is only experienced after death. The Jews being taken over and captured by the Babylonians was a form of Gods WRATH and JUDGEMENT. While it was happening it was certainly NOT pretty. It was terrifying, destructive, violent, and horrible. Many people died. But was was the outcome? Restoration, forgiveness, repentance, a new heart and love in understanding that what was done was done for the best. And what else? Correction. Through judgement and chastisement from the Lord, the jews saw that they had sinned and disobeyed and were very very sorry for what they had done and changed their ways and realized they were sinners (repented).
Every single one of us is a sinner and the wages of sin is death. God's wrath has nothing to do with our salvation. It does not send us to hell or turn us to some form of eternal dust. Gods wrath and judgement burns OUT our pride and rebelliousness right out. The process may not be pretty by any means, but it is always always intended for GOOD and we should not cower and hid from it. There is only one who is GOOD and all that He does is for the GOOD. We have been saved so we can be with God.
How am I saved? By God and His Salvation through Jesus. Our salvation was completed at the cross and death was beaten by the resurrection. What am I saved from? Sin and Death What am I saved for? To be with God and be cleansed of our sin and one day experience when He will be all in all.
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Post by cwood85 on Apr 2, 2019 6:27:21 GMT -6
cwood85 - Let me see if I can summarize and let me know if I am understanding things... The Pope says not to proselytize. In the Catholic mind, proselytizing means making (converting) non-Catholics into Catholics. It has to do with religion -- Islam is wrong; Catholicism is right. Obviously this is a hindrance to peace between the two. To the evangelical mind, proselytizing means presenting the gospel (evangelizing the lost--the Great Commission)--planting the seeds and watering so that they may come to faith in Jesus by the grace of God and power of the Holy Spirit. God being the one that does the changing (converting) of the non-believer into a believer. But He does it through the preaching of the Gospel. I think we are basically dealing with semantics. I see converting as being a person who changes from one religion to another. Converting from Islam to Christianity is a good thing; to be a Christian convert is a good thing. But ONLY if a person becomes a TRUE follower of Christ not a follower of a religious system. You see it as the Catholics forcing people to become Catholics or evangelicals forcing Christianity (which of course is bad). The whole thing is wrong because Catholics aren't sharing the gospel, they are just trying to get converts. Am I close? (and don't worry about the video--it's just him calling for peace)
I am just unclear why you see the word convert as being such a negative thing? We preach the Gospel in hopes that people will convert from a false religion or no religion at all to becoming a follower of Christ. That's the only way to salvation.
Yes Catholics convert into Catholics and not by evangelizing. You cannot marry a catholic unless you are catholic. You can attend a Catholic Church, but there are certain things you are not allowed to do if you are not catholic. You cannot even participate in communion if you are not catholic. Catholics consider their churches and their priests as holy. You are saved by the church and the priest. To a catholic it is the supreme belief and religion. That is what makes this article tricky. It is written by a Jewish writer. They view catholic and Christianity as pretty much the same because both believe Jesus is the son of God. Jews do not. Like mike said, it’s actually not really a bad thing.
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Post by cwood85 on Apr 1, 2019 17:40:42 GMT -6
Listening to some of his other speeches (Like the one recorded here:
it seems that this trip of the Pope's is to get Christians and Muslims to work together for peace. They need to respect each other's religious beliefs; therefore, no proselytizing. Focus on what you have in common (although the Pope seems to think we have the same God in common -- like here: www.romereports.com/en/2019/03/28/pope-sends-message-to-morocco-lets-respect-each-other-in-diversity/) The comment from the article being they would come to an impasse...so focused on converting each other they won't look at what they have in common and therefore they will not be at peace. That's what I make of it. I think the Pope is wrong. You can work on peace with your neighbor and share with them the gospel. I have not listened to the video. But a Middle East mindset is different than ours. It’s a very I am right and your wrong, literally to the death sometimes. They are passionate in their beliefs to the point of doing extremes to prove it. The deeper root of this is both are trying to prove something based on their own abilities and knowledge. I am right and you are wrong is happening on both sides. I know better than you, my God is better than yours and so on. This boils down to relying on ones own abilities and faith in their own faith, which isn’t good. Don’t prove who is right or wrong, show the gospel! I mean that in regards to the article, not anyone here. I don’t want to go into too much without watching the video and I do not have time right now. The word he used to describe what is happening is not the same as sharing, speaking, teaching and etc. It is strictly meaning conversion or to convert. Evangelizing is not converting. We can plant the seed, but we should not try to force it to grow. It doesn’t work that way, with anyone. If we think we need to convert by sharing the gospel, we need to reevaluate what we think the gospel means. When we plant a garden, we can mend and tend it. Weed it, water, and fertilize to help it grow and be abundant. But we do not physically have any part of making it cells multiply and grow or give it life to live. We can grow a beautiful garden full of fruits and veggies, but one bad storm can wipe all of that out in the blink of an eye. All of our hard work destroyed and the result is uprooted and shredded plants. We can replant and start over but cannot fix what was broken. Only God can do that. My point with this article focusing on Catholics being the main sect of Christianity is that they do not evangelize, they convert. You cannot be a part of many events and organizations without becoming “catholic” which is undergoing a series of teachings and rituals and being ordained by a priest as officially catholic. This article is not talking about the gospel, it is talking about be accepted into one RELIGION over another. These religions are trying to play God and it is easy to say they all worship the same God. They do. His name is THEMSELVES
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Post by cwood85 on Apr 1, 2019 13:37:10 GMT -6
Wellllllll I may not have the most popular viewpoints on this topic, but hear me out before anyone starts to throw stones (figuratively that is) at me. I read the article three times to ensure that I was understanding what I was reading and the message being written to others and recognized that this article is written by an orthodox Jewish writer. Yes that DOES make a difference in the tone used and the way this article is being related to the audience because that is what Judaism opinion is in regards to Christianity. We are a cult and covert and they are the one true religion and light of the world. But what was quoted from the pope, is not referring to evangelizing. Firstly, the word used here is not evangelize nor is even in the ball park if sharing the gospel. proselytism; refers to the attempt of any religion or religious individuals to convert people to their beliefs, or any attempt to convert people to a different point of view, religious or not. Now I am no fan of the Pope and would I ever love to say a thing or two to him, however he did not state to not share the gospel, but NOT to convert and there is a difference. The article did not go into detail as to how this "converting" was being done. It could have be peaceful or it could not be peaceful. The RC has quite the long history of forcefully converting through torture and murder. Not all that much different than Islam. He did not say do not speak of Christ or similar. I know it is stated from Him that Jews, Catholics, Christians, Islam all worship the same God, however I do not think that is the reason he is stating what he is. If there is manipulation or similar occuring to try and get people to believe than he can certainly come in and say don't do that.
It is not our job to convert or make people believe. We speak the good news and let God be God.
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Post by cwood85 on Mar 12, 2019 12:37:21 GMT -6
For further dialogue, what do we think of passages such as these? Both of these passages are clearly talking about Jerusalem. Look at Isaiah 29:6. This has not happened yet. Look at Jeremiah 19:11 where it says Jerusalem cannot be made whole again. Clearly THAT has not occured yet because Jerusalem is here and very established and populated. Thoughts? Is this a repeating pattern?
Isa 29:1 Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices.
Isa 29:2 Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel.
Isa 29:3 And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee.
Isa 29:4 And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.
Isa 29:5 Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly. Isa 29:6 Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
Jer 19:3 And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle.
Jer 19:4 Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents;
Jer 19:7 And I will make void the counsel of Judah and Jerusalem in this place; and I will cause them to fall by the sword before their enemies, and by the hands of them that seek their lives: and their carcases will I give to be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.
Jer 19:8 And I will make this city desolate, and an hissing; every one that passeth thereby shall be astonished and hiss because of all the plagues thereof.
Jer 19:9 And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.
Jer 19:10 Then shalt thou break the bottle in the sight of the men that go with thee,
Jer 19:11 And shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Even so will I break this people and this city, as one breaketh a potter's vessel, that cannot be made whole again: and they shall bury them in Tophet, till there be no place to bury.
Jer 19:12 Thus will I do unto this place, saith the LORD, and to the inhabitants thereof, and even make this city as Tophet:
Jer 19:13 And the houses of Jerusalem, and the houses of the kings of Judah, shall be defiled as the place of Tophet, because of all the houses upon whose roofs they have burned incense unto all the host of heaven, and have poured out drink offerings unto other gods.
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Post by cwood85 on Mar 11, 2019 11:15:20 GMT -6
kjs Amen times a million!!! I will relink. I am not good at linking to these post lol. Try this LINK
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Post by cwood85 on Mar 11, 2019 11:00:47 GMT -6
cwood85 I want to attempt to clarify what you are saying as my understanding is not what I believe you have posted. Attempt to understand in is the point for me. I think I understand things but not always clearly and others take an object turn it around and show me the other facet of the gem they have and "WOW" I only saw one way, but there are other ways to view this and bring more of the picture into focus or complete the picture. I think you are saying that in some examples it seems people had enough faith (confidence), and in others they did not have enough faith (Peter sinking). However if we dont have enough faith we are the ones who are trying to do the work or we end up trying to prove ourselves faithful, which is never God's intention, none of us can achieve enough of anything, its all Him. I always understood this verse to mean that the gift was salvation through grace (not of ourselves) obtained by faith. We can't show enough effort to be able to boast about the faith we have being sufficient enough to obtain that grace. <<<< But that is not what it says. It says this in order:
1. For by grace 2. you have been (meaning done, did, competed. Not meaning will be doing, still in process, needs something else to happen before completion, and etc) Interesting info on the word "been' in this verse and the beautiful depths of it's meaning that cannot be properly translated into the english language. The word here is eimi: I exist, I am. It is the same word when Christ refers to himself as "I AM!" 3. saved through faith (not our faith, Christ own faithfulness)
and that not of yourselves (meaning the above all three, not just the grace part and we had and do not have any part in obtaining all three)
it is the gift of God (still meaning all three, grace-salvation-faith)
not as a result of works (nothing we can do to increase or produce, grace, salvation or faith)
that no one should boast ( If I go around and say I believe more because I have more faith, or am saved because I have faith in my faith of Jesus, that is boasting)Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also described the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Lets look at this in the NASB translation:
4. 4Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: <<<<<< "BELIEVES IN HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGODLY, THIS COUNTS AS FAITH!!!! NOT OUR FAITH FOR OUR OR IN OUR SALVATION, FAITH THAT GOD HAS JUSTIFIED THE UNGODLY!!!! That means unbelievers, liars, cheats, fornicators, all sinners as all sin is ungodly. Praise God!! Sorry about the caps, they are for excitement, not yelling lol. 7“BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN,
AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.
8“BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.”
Always keeping me on my toes Mike The examples I gave of having faith/confidence or lacking faith/confidence all have nothing to do with salvation. The lack of confidence shown was in Gods plan, abilities and His Word. Peter doubted, maybe even just for a split second that Christ could continue to hold him above the water, hold him from sinking into the darkness, keep him in a state that is absolutely impossible by use. Christ defied natural law, physics, logic, and gravity by standing on the water. The act of walking on water blows away everything our brains can comprehend. Physicist and scientist have tried to figure this out, put it on paper, make sense of it. Our salvation is the same. We cannot process all of it, compute it, make sense of it or put it in a box. My point in my examples listed are when we try to take matters into our own hands, or try to make Gods abilities fit into our understanding, comprehension and then act on that, the results can be disastrous. But even with our disastrous results, Gods way/will always always happens anyways. So even if we doubt and lack confidence, Gods plan, persuasion, faith still continues on carrying out His plan. Here is a very detailed definition and summary of faith from Strongs: 4102 pístis (from 3982/peithô, "persuade, be persuaded") – properly, persuasion (be persuaded, come to trust); faith. Faith (4102/pistis) is always a gift from God, and never something that can be produced by people. In short, 4102/pistis ("faith") for the believer is "God's divine persuasion" – and therefore distinct from human belief (confidence), yet involving it. The Lord continuously births faith in the yielded believer so they can know what He prefers, i.e. the persuasion of His will (1 Jn 5:4). [4102 (pistis) in secular antiquity referred to a guarantee (warranty). In Scripture, faith is God's warranty, certifying that the revelation He inbirthed will come to pass (His way). Faith (4102/pistis) is also used collectively – of all the times God has revealed (given the persuasion of) His will, which includes the full revelation of Scripture (Jude 3). Indeed, God the Lord guarantees that all of this revelation will come to pass! Compare Mt 5:18 with 2 Tim 3:16.] 1. The root of 4102/pistis ("faith") is 3982/peithô ("to persuade, be persuaded") which supplies the core-meaning of faith ("divine persuasion"). It is God's warranty that guarantees the fulfillment of the revelation He births within the receptive believer (cf. 1 Jn 5:4 with Heb 11:1). Faith (4102/pistis) is always received from God, and never generated by us.
Ro 12:3: "For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith (4102/pistis)" (NASU). Hope that clarifies!
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Post by cwood85 on Mar 10, 2019 22:20:35 GMT -6
Just a general post for anyone to read.
It seems the word faith in the Bible is almost always equates with trust or believes, belief in the Lord. But there is a more meaningful word behind this word that gets over looked.
Confidence.
Abraham had CONFIDENCE in the Lord and His Word.
Rehab had CONFIDENCE in helping to sneak the soldiers in would succeed
Noah had CONFIDENCE the Lord was going to flood the entire world
But....
Peter did not have confidence when Jesus spoke His Word and invited him to walk on water and then Peter sank
Thomas did not have confidence that Jesus had risen from the dead and needed physical proof
Abraham did not have confidence in Gods word and Ishmael was conceived and born
Our Salvation is not based on our faith/confidence. We do not generate and achieve “enough” faith to ensure our salvation. Faith is a gift from God not from our own power or knowledge. We cannot make ourselves have enough faith which is why is is a gift.
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast.
Can we rest in the confidence of the Lord and His Word? Or are beating ourselves up day in and day out by constantly proving our faith in Him to Him? Are we sinking in our sin and checking off that we are doing what we can to prove our faith and then sinking further when we fail again?
Our confidence rest in this:
It is finished.
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Post by cwood85 on Mar 8, 2019 10:43:44 GMT -6
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Post by cwood85 on Mar 8, 2019 8:45:38 GMT -6
Additional resources in regards to this topic. There is fruit and poison in everything a human produces. Please seek God in prayer and humbleness on any topic of question or uncertainty. It was mentioned that there is a small amount of people, groups, who believe in full restoration/reconciliation. From months of research I found that to not be very accurate. Those who believe this are some of the most heavily persecuted throughout history. Even the founding fathers of our country believed this and based our founding laws and freedoms on Gods non partial love for all. Look further and deeper into the killings of the Salem witch trials Look into what Abe Lincoln believed in and what was the entire basis of his drive to end slavery. Look into how many lives where lost and people hanged in the beginning of our country for opposing hell and damnation preachings and preachers. There were rallies of many thousands against this sort of teaching entering into the states. You may find yourself very very surprised. This seems to be a topic that brings on rampant and swift persecution or worse over the ages. Because it is heresy or crazy? Maybe that should be a clue to something. The full goodness of God can be very offensive to many. It was extremely offensive to many in the bible. Jonah was a good example. 1But it greatly displeased Jonah and he became angry. 2He prayed to the LORD and said, “Please LORD, was not this what I said while I was still in my own country? Therefore in order to forestall this I fled to Tarshish, for I knew that You are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, and one who relents concerning calamity. 3“Therefore now, O LORD, please take my life from me, for death is better to me than life.” 4The LORD said, “Do you have good reason to be angry?”Not everything in all of these resources may be good fruit, there are bad apples everywhere. Please use discernment, scripture, and prayer for accuracy. This goes for anything taught and read anywhere. Ministries & Websites:www.thesanctuarydenver.org/ <<<< Relentless love ministries full of information, books, sermons, podcast, videos and etc. www.tentmaker.org/ <<<< The founder of this website, Gary recently passed away and this is now managed by his children. www.mercifultruth.comwww.wildgoosechase.orgwww.age-during.comwww.what-the-hell-is-hell.com www.thehellverses.com/ <<<<This website has a lot of historical information www.thebvbs.com/ <<<<This website also has a lot of historical information in it
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Post by cwood85 on Mar 6, 2019 18:33:32 GMT -6
“The beast that you saw—it was, and now is no more, but is about to come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. And those who dwell on the earth whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet will be.” Rev. 17:8Why do these marvels when they see the beast? Is it because he has been released from the abyss? Rev. 9:2 If so, then I would surmise that those who marvel are those who know him, a.k.a. the fallen angels, they who were around at the foundation of the world. Would that be the reason those particular ‘persons’ names are not written in the book of life? It does not say that they are humans, it only says “those who dwell on the earth whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world”. Them being a certain group of people/beings/entities that are dwelling on the earth at that time. They are identified by the fact that their names are not written in the book of life from the beginning, ‘the foundation’, of the world. The fallen angels have been pulled to the earth when Satan was cast out of Heaven, Rev. 12:9, and they were present when the world was founded. Is this possible or am I shootin' in the dark?
Where does it say fallen angels? The beast is not singular, but consist of multiple kings. Why would any of that matter to fallen angels? This is talking about people, humans. Christ preached the gospel to the fallen angels when he died and was resurrected while they are bound by chains in Tartarus. The abyss is not Tartarus. Abyss or pit is another word for grave or realm of the dead. The fallen angels are in a state that is specifically for them because they do not go to the grave like we do. Essentially the beast came from death and evilness follows behind in its path. Per strongs: the abyss, unfathomable depth, an especially Jewish conception, the home of the dead and of evil spirits.
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